Nitrous P/M Rod Material

[TOL]

What are most N20 P/M engines running for rod material. AL, or Ti ?

[T/S 3477]

Aluminum--most common is GRP.

[timmydabull]

have you heard of anyone using aluminum rods with no bearing insert in these cars?

[T/S 3477]

I've never heard or seen of it.

[Creekside Racing Ministry]

Originally Posted by timmydabull

have you heard of anyone using aluminum rods with no bearing insert in these cars?

Probably referring to the Jager Rod that caused so much stire in Pro Stock before all the new weight and material rules. There was a some what discussion about them back in Oct on Speedtalk. The alumium rod goes through a molecular transformation. When tested against the leading rod manufacturers it was 7X stronger. And the rod material is so good it does not use a bearing insert. NHRA and IHRA banned them currently.
Here's a part of the discussion .....

"His Pro Stock rod found in an engine was 415gms. The NHRA rule change did not allow for any aluminum composite transformed parts in Pro Stock competition and the new rod minimum weight was set at 480 gms. This was after the Jager Rod was pulled from a Pro STock teams engine. I don't think the rule said anything about having to run rod bearings as the engine found with the Jagers was running the rod on the journal without bearing."

Pretty interesting stuff, Jager is in the process of making other engine componets to be marketed in the near future. The cost of his rods was like $1400-1600. Would have saved Pro Stock teams many dollars in the long run. And he made them available to any teams.

Blessings for the New Year........Ron Clevenger.

[quickwrench]

Originally Posted by Creekside Racing Ministry

...The cost of his rods was like $1400-1600...

Per set?

[Creekside Racing Ministry]

Yea...that was for 8 rods. Really didn't make sense for NHRA to react the way they did. Actually Jager and a marketing rep pitched the rods to several of the top teams and would make them available to any team,.....they passed. Guess witch team didn't pass and was using them. He's still willing to make rods, man if I was running a ProMod or something of that power I be jumping on them. These arn't pie in the sky.....there for real. If anyone wants the reps name I'll try and dig it out. Jager's website is not up yet but it's coming.....along with other components.

Blessings........Ron Clevenger.

[Creekside Racing Ministry]

I'll go ahead and post additional info in case anyone is interested in following up.

Additional comments from previous Speedtalk post in October below. Chris Straub is the rep from Tri-Cities TN. don't have a phone number.


Sad thing about it is Jager's rods were available to any team. Myself and Mark Cathell ( Father owns a drag strip in DE) went to the Bristol NHRA race to try and sell the rods with Mr. Jager. Only 1 team listened in Pro STock and they dominated the following year with 415gm rods. Pricing to each and every team was the same at $1600 a set. The one team dominates, Jager won't pay contingency, and next thing you know a product that could have saved teams $10K of thousands of $$$'s a year is banned. Two weeks later IHRA bands the rod and material.

It doesn't make sense to me that a guy makes a product that will improve performance and longevity but politics say "BANNED"
_________________
Chris Straub
Perf. Mfg. Rep

[wedge542]

Wasnt summits spokeperson and his sidekick both running them,when others found out they cryed cheat cheat,its in the metels properties that got it banned,but yet everyone had a chance to get them,,im thinking theyll be back real soon.

[timmydabull]

thanks,
greg andersons shop is 30 minutes from my house,occasionaly i see them testing during the week at a local dragway.

didnt know they were using that technology.

what are the specifics on the properties you mention?

material

cryo

[Creekside Racing Ministry]

I really don't know a lot about it other than what was discussed. Some sort of composite aluminum transformation. It was compared to a ceramic material although it started out as a billet aluminum bar stock.. They said it's so hard that were a steel billet cam touched it it didn't do anything to the rod but did affect the cam. They were not using any bearing ......connected right to the crank. Has a greenish color. Some roundy round racers are using them. He's also developing rockers and other engine componets. He's not going away, to big a market to pursue.

Blessings....Ron Clevenger.

[timmydabull]

that is interesting,basically a non forged billet rod with some space age coating or process for this transformation.

the rods i am using currently have no bearing,but they have no coating either,i have allready broken 1 rod and destroyed engine as a result.

i found one perfectly intact rod bolt in the bottom of the pan.

my first thought was since the rods were not forged the bolt stripped the threads in the rod.

i have been reluctant to risk using them again however the possibility of a process such as you mentioned might be worth a chance.

its interesting that you mention the greenish color of the jager rod,without much searching about that the first thing that comes to mind is a coating venolia offered 6 years ago for top fuel piston applications called banadizing if that is the correct terminology.