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Old 03-22-2007, 05:27 PM
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Time For Safe Walls ??

Maybe We Should Look At Nascar And Think About Some Safe Wall To Take The Hit. The Speeds And Et`s Now Need To Address This. Thank You
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Old 03-22-2007, 07:20 PM
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Old 03-23-2007, 03:56 PM
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Re: Time For Safe Walls ??

i HAD A MEETING WITH MY CREW CHIEF TODAY AND WE WERE OF THE SAME OPINION . I HIT LAST YEAR AT OVER 220 MPH IN BRADENTON. A HANS AND STEEL GUARD RAILS . OVER 150 FT. GONE. I WALKED AWAY. CONCRET I WAS DEAD. YES A SAFE WALL IS NEEDED NOW. HOW MANY RACERS ???. THEY TAKE OUR MONEY.!!!
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Old 03-24-2007, 04:18 AM
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Re: Time For Safe Walls ??

I'm thinking a 3 foot barrier of water inside of the cement..... It would cushion the blow and scrub off a lot of speed.....easy clean-up and I would think cheap.....make them in 50 foot sections....Just my Idea.

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Old 03-25-2007, 04:48 PM
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heres a little article from comp. plus. http://competitionplus.com/index.php...=2170&Itemid=6
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Old 03-25-2007, 06:51 PM
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I brought this topic up a few days ago on here and someone told me "it won't work". Not referring to you Billy! Well, it seems there are some others that think it will, even some nascar officials and some professional drivers. Also saw a story on espn.com about it. Like I said before, it may not be the typical safer barrier, but there IS something better out there than hitting a 2 feet wide concrete wall. People have to think outside the box when inventing new things. To simply say it won't work doesn't do our sport justice. I remember hearing forever that it won't work in nascar. It isn't feasible......well well we know how that turned out don't we?

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Old 03-25-2007, 07:21 PM
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Re: Time For Safe Walls ??

Im not gonna preteend that I knwo what im talking baout with this stuff im not that smart. I just think something needs to be done so that this doesent happen again. All racers no the risk they are taking but if there is anything out there that can prevent this then it needs to happen.
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Old 03-25-2007, 08:34 PM
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Sure KP...lol...

I agree something needs to be done... but form what i have been told what is available right now isn't the best solution.. but i'm sure if they got the research grant to work on it like they did with the current system they could come up with a working solution.. i would not like to a knee jerk reaction to take place and put the current style into place and hope it works for drag racing....

i don't believe the testing that has been done is up to the speeds and forces the TF car produce.... with some testing at the right speeds for the impacts... i feel pretty sure that something could be developed.. that would benfit the drag racing world....

here is a link to Jayskis page on the safer barriers.... http://www.jayski.com/pages/softwalls.htm

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Old 03-25-2007, 08:59 PM
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Re: Time For Safe Walls ??

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I brought this topic up a few days ago on here and someone told me "it won't work". Not referring to you Billy! Well, it seems there are some others that think it will, even some nascar officials and some professional drivers. Also saw a story on espn.com about it. Like I said before, it may not be the typical safer barrier, but there IS something better out there than hitting a 2 feet wide concrete wall. People have to think outside the box when inventing new things. To simply say it won't work doesn't do our sport justice. I remember hearing forever that it won't work in nascar. It isn't feasible......well well we know how that turned out don't we?
Hmmm. Well, regardless of what NASCAR guys might say, I'll only counter with the fact that, if it was feasible and vaulable in terms of saving lives and insurance premiums, the NHRA would've been all over it already...especially at the tracks they OWN.

It's also interesting that, when the SAFER wall (an acronym, by the way, for Steel And Foam Energy Reduction) was originally developed, the creators stressed that it was not a viable safety improvement on straightaways and should only be installed in tuns...and banked ones, at that. Much of that was based on problems encountered at Oswego Speedway in New York which first installed foam walls on their Super Modified track back in 1979 but still managed to incur several fatalities afterward, (including the legendary Jim Champine).

I find it unusual that the linked feature includes the quote, "We don’t use the SAFER on most straights because on the straights a car typically hits in the wall in a glancing parallel blow, not head on.” Yeah. That IS the problem.

KP, your original post was entitled "Safer Barriers in NHRA/IHRA". I may have incorrectly assumed you meant "safer" as in the acronym "SAFER". This post, started by Mel Eaves...who knows more about drag racing insurance than almost anybody on the planet...is titled, "Time For Safe Walls??". I'm all for safe walls but I've been lead to believe that SAFER walls aren't the answer.
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Old 03-26-2007, 07:41 AM
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Re: Time For Safe Walls ??

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Maybe We Should Look At Nascar And Think About Some Safe Wall To Take The Hit. The Speeds And Et`s Now Need To Address This. Thank You
yup...............
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So, as of right now, there is nothing out there that is safer to crash into than a two foot thick concrete wall with ZERO energy absorption properties?.......................
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Old 03-26-2007, 08:44 AM
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Re: Time For Safe Walls ??

Sorry brett. When I said a safer barrier I wasn't referring necessarily to the "Safer Barrier". I just meant something safer than concrete. You are right Billy, I don't want a knee jerk reaction either. That could cause more problems. KP
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